Sean and Sasha unpack what it means to be motivated while working from home during the coronavirus...well sort of. Sasha discovers Serena Williams on Instagram. Sean talks about his admiration for the "chicken people". They both see the value in taking breaks but Sasha is convinced that Sean is not napping properly.
Hey, everyone, welcome to our second episode. I am Sean.
And this is okay. We have a title. Now it's recalling. This are working home? Yes, on. And, um, you know, we're super creative, and that's what
way are so creative, guys.
But what comes to my for you when you think about working home? Wow. Jesse title. Yeah,
but the title Right now, I think about the fact that working home are kind of the same thing. Right. But what I like about the title is that I think that even when this is over, working home are two distinct things. And, you know, as we talked about less episode working home. Still, even in quarantine are two different things. And we are working so hard to maintain those boundaries. So I just think that there is space for work and work is what you're paid to do your volunteer stuff and then the things that you do it in your home like Sean does a lot of cooking.
Yeah, I like to eat it. Was it today? You're asking Oh, happy oil Yesterday you're asking me a Are you like, less hungry and absolutely not that would be impossible in terms of the title. For me working home, I'm thinking similarly, you know, those are two very separate things. And even though we are being forced into a situation where they, the boundaries between the two is blurred, things important for us to maintain that distinction. And each of those things come with a different challenges. You know, I think for many of us, like I'm thinking back to like my life growing up. We've been trained to or taught to think about work. You know, you go to school to get a good job and all so, like we've been trained Teoh. So think about what it means to have a job and stump. But the rial like home stuff in relationships like that's that really taught in school. No, it's like a whole different set of challenges by by itself. I would love for us to talk about those things and see what people think. Way
knew a lot about relationships. I mean, everyone does
way. It sounded a bit shady and you know a lot about relationship. Let me tell you exactly.
We got some dirt over
here. No, there's no dirt this is a clean home.
It is a clean home.
So we have is wine and happy thoughts.
Why didn't happy pad?
So how is so? I'll ask our last episode last recording, which was our first? Yes. Ah was about a week ago. What, like what happened with you since then? What's what's new?
Since then, what is new again? Like just finding a balance every day. The mood swings are just nuts. And then also continuing to like have boundaries around my time. But I really do appreciate it. The humor that's being infused in this time. And like I know, we talked about the challenges and how we want them to stop or like, not go on for. So
Beyonce has letters replied. Tell emails.
Believe it. Can you believe she got nothing to do? What? What? Nothing. I'm just saying Rihanna had a whole party. I'm kidding. Just get it. Are you? I'm not. But like, yeah, you know, Leslie Jordan is just giving me so much life. I just today buzzfeed or I thought today did let a compilation of his Instagram posts. It seems like he's quarantining alone because he's always alone, but you never know, but he's an elderly. He's a gentleman of a certain age, Um, and what he does. He's hilarious. Skits, some of that. Some of them seem like they're skits, because you'll be like Mom, Mom, I'm on the phone like, don't worry about me. And, like clearly, his mom is not anymore. Where was she? May be. But then there are other other things. Like he was just like, Yeah, I'm just so bored. Are you all board on board? On board?
It's really funds of what some of these celebrities deal with this. Actually, I enjoy watching Serena Williams.
Oh, I don't know. Her
should follow her. I think. I think she's hilarious. It's interesting to me to see an athlete who is at hop of their game just be human, doesn't make sense. Like she's just like I would love toe hanging with Serena Williams one day. I don't mean that I'm not gonna happen, but
who knows? Who knows? Who
knows, You know? Hey, Serena, way in. Harlow? Yeah. Trying to find find us wine.
We have wind come through. Come through
like that was what shared a video about, like dealing with video conference calls if you don't wanna be seen on and she put she's ridiculous. She put these like pictures of herself in front of her camera. Really? This is I'm giving them, you know, like I'm in charge of the room, sort of I And you know, so if they said if they tell you Well, that's a picture, you switch it up. She put a cardboard box that she drew a face on a week.
Oh, my gosh. She's a
lot of fun. I love every every like, and enjoy watching her And this be human islets. Enjoy watching her play. Do you watch?
Do you like I do enjoy tennis? No, but I do love watching her play. I will watch her. Same. And Venus, um, giving all watch Any black woman play e I want any black woman do any pig. Um, but
do you wanna, you know, think about that for us like
that, But like, it is a sacha heavy. I don't understand, Dennis. I don't understand it. That's not true. It is understandable, but I don't follow it. I'm not like a big fan, you know, But you're right. And it's funny. I'm thinking about like schedule sending text like we're talking about Last time I wish I could schedule, like, remind myself because I've heard this about her and her instagram president. And she's just, like, just so much joy. She doesn't take herself super seriously. Despite her being this like, fierce athlete I should totally be will be following her. Why am I not follow her?
You should definitely follow Syrian Williams, if you're following what's his name?
Leslie Jordan. Yes, I want me. I just I had bought him What? People at home
just started following Whatever. You should be falling. So
you know what? You know what?
Do it right now.
I'm doing it right now. Guys.
Do it on your own. Your iPhone. You know,
it's Oh, my gosh, It was this iPhone shade. Why can't we all just get a log?
Because iPhone doesn't want anyone else city in the environment. That's why no one could get along with them.
So I accidentally tapped into her story, and the first thing I saw was her nirvana. And I'm already
you already sold.
You see? There you go.
I love it. Thank you. Because I'm wearing eyes
is actually wearing a bonnet. Serena is Sasha's like athlete persona. If Sasha were a professional athlete, she would be Serena Williams.
I yes, not nearly as accomplished, but yes in personality, absolutely
at kind of agree with you in terms of tennis. You know, I I enjoy watching Serena. I cannot see that I'm, ah, huge tennis fan. Yeah, I I learned the game by watching her. And just watching her has is like mind blowing just how she commands the court. And and a lot of people like you describe it as being aggressive. The problem with that is, you know, she's a woman and you don't describe male tennis players as aggressive necessarily. But she's skillful. She is so slow, beautiful, so skilful. And I just hate when people give her a hard time
and she's aggressive because she cares and she's worked hard and she's invested. She's not aggressive because she's like trying to dominate in like that right is upsetting to people. Unless you're on like Wall Street or something. Um, but why, you know, my mind goes everywhere, but I just feel like I totally 100% would agree with you like I just I love watching her play, and I just It just brings me joy.
Well, now you could watch her nowhere Wigs and play with her kid
Olympia is that I think the name We'll figure it
clearly, I don't know, I e. I know there's usually a child sometimes like in her presence, as she's doing these things, but I do not know the name of the child of the little human. That's what they're
quick like, just quick tangent on that. Men are not as not across the board, right? Nothing's absolute, but sometimes they're not as family, not oriented but seeing families as much. Because I was talking to somebody and I was like, Oh, like he was like, Oh, my friends have kids and I'm like, Oh, what are their names? And you look like what I don't I don't know their Dave's. I like I don't know, there's that one of that one thinking about maybe three or five, and that was like 10 or 12 and I'm like, OK, like meanwhile, Like all of my friends, I know their kids names may not exactly know all of their ages, but like I can get it down to the months we don't have
many friends with the kids. I mean, I definitely have friends with kids.
The ones you know, the ones you have, you know, There. Yeah, very close to them.
Yeah. I'm not gonna start listing names now because I think I'll get in trouble. E get a text. You don't know my child. Namely? I don't I didn't know you had a child.
I didn't know you had a child. Sorry, we haven't talked in three years.
Sorry. Not sorry. There was something else you like, Really excited about sharing tonight.
Absolutely. We have to talk about cans in a pan. Guys cans in a pan. Write it down Right now. The last episode we talk, Sean brought up this incredible idea about using. It's truly a pot among a deep pot cans in a pan rhyme rhymes. So you use a deep pot and you put you stack Kansan and I used it this week to do like leg workouts, and it was a game changer. I've been really struggling to find things to work. My quads like I can I can do hamstrings all day, but I mean game changer. My quads are still on fire, and I realized it's like I could do it overhead. Presses with them. I can do Rose like game changer. Guys, write it down cans in a pan.
Already Kanzi used in this pan.
I use a total. I think of six cans and I weighed the entire thing. It was about £15.
It's a scale
here, you know. And that's one of the joys of working from home. You're able to discover all the amazing things that you but in your
how does she know? Insisting, Yes, there is a skill.
So I don't know, like for you crazy bodybuilders out there like £15 anything for you. But for me to front Scott squat Ah, £15 thing. You know that it's challenging.
I mean, they go boom, boom. So what of the things? And so I mentioned to see you before we started. You know, that kind of thinking about motivation? Yeah, as we go through quarantine, I'm not just a nudge us motivating to get to work out done, But it's a big idea that spans not just our home but the economy and politics. So we could stop, but we could start with, like, a personal motivation And like so, this this this this idea came to me after I read this article. I'm gonna I'm gonna read Title. So the tile got me brightly. Title of the article of what actually got me first. So it za Americans are excessively drinking, eating, smoking pot, playing video games and watching porn while quarantine.
I mean, that sounds I mean, not play like for me personally,
it is, He now know everyone's wondering if that's true.
because they're just like to let it
Oh, interesting. Tell me more.
It sounds kind of defensive, right? A super defensive, maybe, my friend. I heard my friends doing that, but not me.
Your friends are listening because they can call in, have a colon like zero. You
know who would
be the first to calling Were not Teoh, But no way we're gonna cause problems. We want to do this for a long time. But the impetus of his article, it was a tweet by somebody. And I'm sure you see in going around and the tweet says if you don't come out of this quarantine with either a new skill. Starting starting what you've been putting off like a new business or more knowledge you didn't ever lack time. You lack the discipline. Yeah, you just have, like, a lot of feelings about things. But have one thing about this a very clear feeling about
that is No, I don't like
it. I do not like it. It's It's on iteration of variation, of using shame to get people to do something, to try to get people to do something. And it's it's it doesn't take in consideration is that isn't empathetic at all. Exactly. And it's not.
That was a word
that is a word. Every once in a while, I use words like I surprised myself.
No, you know, like it touched me.
Yeah, eso it's not. It's the intention was to motivate people. I don't see motivating people. How How are you motivated? How? Like what?
Yeah. I mean, I agree with you that really bothers me because I Oh, you We talked about this, but like now that the covert deaths were starting to, like, actually personally affect me like that just with that, within that lens, that doesn't make any sense that people are really struggling out here and either either emotionally losing their jobs were losing their pay or they're seeing family members struggle or like the country is governed. The go our governor is fighting with our president. It's unsettling all around, and you can either be dealing with one of those struggles or met multiple of. So I think it's really, as you said, leading with empathy, like people need to have the space to do what they need to do to survive this as long as it's like, you know, ethical and whatever. I don't like the idea of shaming people for not having achieved because I think truly, all of us, when we get out of this, if we get out of this sane, well healthy we have achieved alive, we have achieved something. I mean, it's it's, it's a lot. It's a lot on, and I just I don't think it's fair to. And I feel like whoever wrote that is like projecting something like like they feel, I wonder sometimes people who, because we're saying motivation right, we're all I've been seeing this particular at work this week. People are motivated by by different things, and they are also affected by things in different ways. So the uncertainty in the world might make one person when I'd be like super productive and might make another person just need to pull back a little bit. And if we were, if we're truly going to be empathetic, we're going to create space for all of those things to happen and, like, they're gonna have to be some compromises along the way. But I think the people who are dealing with this uncertainty by trying to be productive are then projecting that onto other people. And that's not empathy. We have to hold space for everybody. So that's my
I know. I agree. I think this tweet is it's definitely click worthy show. Terrible. You know, it's kind of it sounds like from a place of authority, but it lacks lacks empathy. It lacks an understanding of hope. People work, so people think yes, and I think if you're trying to motivate, if this is what you trying to do, you should be knowledgeable of how people were. I see this type of content, especially in like the health, fitness and wellness space, using shame to motivate people either like diet, shaming or fat, shaming or exercise shaming. I don't know, like you and it's it's not. It's like If I could do it, So can you. Why aren't you doing it? It doesn't take in consideration like the all the different systems and play at play in someone's life and really it It bothers me so much like so much when I see these types of these, these types of pronouncements, either in tech store and pictures, Ovadia whatever it is, it is bothers me so much. And one of the things I looked up, the surgical like different types of motivation. And there's a whole world of research and pose and articles about motivation. Who knew? I guess you knew. I didn't know. People knew. I don't know one of those people. Apparently, people do things when I'm not involved. How dear they threw of the big categories took a big categories of motivation. Is external like extra extrinsic versus intrinsic. Okay, Yeah, motivation. So I trick external motivations like if you get you know, a reward from someone else you get, you get praise, you got promotion money, whatever, Whereas intrinsic is more along the lines off. You get joy and fulfillment out of doing something, and there's no one has to know that you're getting joy, and there's no external sort of validation for what it is that you doing. But you that what? That's what motivates you? Yeah, and as like you people, either all external, we motivated, all intimately related. But I begin thinking began thing that, you know, it's it's important to know how those things are at play as he go through work at home. So do you think you're mostly I internally motivated person, externally motivated person? A bit of both,
I think I think, actually going back to what you said earlier about how we were like raising condition early win because because we mostly talk to each other. That is a valid question, but no earlier, when you were talking about like, you know, like being achievement, focus and, like everything is driving towards your career and your job and like that is like your identity. Almost. I think in within that sometimes I feel like we were raised to value the extrinsic motivators, the monetary, the praise and I mean talk about social media and how that will rolls into that all day. But that's all in the CASS, maybe.
No, it is a said in the 1st 1 Like, I have all kinds of feelings about social media.
Yes. So then we will be enough.
Really? Oh, I want Oh, go ahead. Sorry.
But as I grown a mature and I start to really focus on what's important to me, intrinsic motivators have become a thing. And we've talked about this like again. Like, particularly with, um, health and wellness when it comes to working out and, like, weight loss or whatever, No longer. It just it doesn't motivate me like seeing the scale drop doesn't motivate me doing money, challenges or challenges. It doesn't motivate me, but, like pans in a can talk about a motivator. But I mean, just like to be able to do something that I didn't think I could do and then do it well and I'm like, I can't wait to add more cans and find a deeper pot, like
so there's a huge, much bigger pot
still on fire over
a bigger pot under the sink. I only use it for, um, I don't even know what I use it for? Its mum punch. Okay. No, no room. But I think I don't I don't know what I don't think of whatever but is a bigger pot
is a bigger pot, But even that is like an m a motivator. And like, I don't know if you consider that extrinsic because I think to me, it's like I've set a goal for myself, like internally Teoh to get a bigger pot, you know? So, yeah, I've I've been transitioning from extrinsic Teoh, Intrinsic. Even though I gotta say money is really good,
it's again. You don't have to be either or
I mean, there are aspects of our lives that we probably like the the extrinsic motivation works more. It was more effective. But things like your your your wellness. That's I think that's a place where you want. You want it to be internal. Yeah, it's for you. And I think the idea of moving to pick a pot is an example of intrinsic, because if the entire world were to fall away and I want to leave, find another pot you could see Oh, you will still be motivated, I assume, to keep working towards that goal
would be I would also be like, You know, what? Sean comes back. I want him to see me on my bigger pot, which is now extreme. But that's a good example of how it can, like flow between, like,
it can flow, can flow. And I think being aware of off that flow, I'm being aware of those differences. And when they're at play, any life could be so powerful again, like learning it's learning yourself was being aware of who you are and for myself, I think I'm very intrinsically motivated for many things.
I So you're talking about yourself. I just want to interject something about Sean. People may not know that Sean is always technically working, always working on a project. And we talked about this last week like, Is this fun for you? Um, but like so in my resign, I'm in bed watching TV, sleeping. Whatever Sean is like figuring out how something works so he could been do build this bigger thing and like, get this capability. So it's very interesting, actually, to hear you talk about your motivators. So I'm always watching you like my God, this man just
loads toe. Oh, you do? Well, so for me, after reading, you know, coming across through a little research about interesting and extrinsic motivation. It helped me understand myself a bit more. And, um, yeah, I like figuring things out. I enjoy it, and it is not a matter of I don't have to show anyone the results of it. Um, I do come up with my own metrics in my head so that that that's an issue by itself sometimes. Because then then you become like if you don't have another voice regulating your expectations, it can It can become an issue
because you you Sometimes you said you expect
too high. Yeah, but in general, I just like I like doing. I like figuring things out. Like I've always felt that house for like, um, if if if Colombia had a general engineering degree, I would have done that.
always particles force into one. And I didn't want to Just 21 I want, just like Elena's learn
all the things that is That's I mean again, Colombia to break this down. Is that Well, we're not gonna go there. We're not gonna go into like? Like engineering pedagogy. Look, I was gonna ask you, like, is that even possible? But yeah, yeah. Disciplinary.
Yeah, I think I think Harvard has it.
Harvard has a for the undergrad? I think so. Don't quote me on this, but as far as I understand, remember, Harvard has like a general engineering.
So you love learning.
I like learning a like and doing things with something Elder
learned. I tell you, it's just like we're so different. I like learning. Teoh. You know what? Also, I was thinking about this today. I don't like I like to think I don't like to do. Okay. And I know that often that could be, like take like that in a package. You do and think you whatever. But I like to like, I like to sit and reflect like, I'll journal like that To me. Doesn't feel like work. But the stuff you bdo
you like So you like, I like I like that You like to think
I like to think that I don't like to like I don't want to figure I like to figure out things about myself. Or maybe I'm like, I'll feel uncomfortable about an interaction I had with somebody And, like, really sit and dissect. Like what That could be and like. Like, what was that playing? How could I have been a better person in that moment, But it and then and then do better moving board. So, like, the soft emotional skills? Yes, that all day I could do a lot of work on that stuff. But if you were like, oh, figure out how to packed this again. Can't even pretend to speak like an engineer. Patch this widget into that widget. I'd be like, You've got to be kidding. I'm taking a nap.
Do you even know what those words mean?
I know up a patch, and I know what would it. Okay, That's probably not engineers.
You could maybe you could patch of which it somewhere the widget is broken. If one needs to be pad
looking, patch the code. Listen
way. You've gone far enough. You feel like you're showing us who you are, Respected my field. Okay? Respect on my field. I can't with you. I've out of what? Everything. Everything that I found very interesting when I was looking up. This whole intrinsic metric extrinsic motivation thing is that external motivation can undermine intrinsic. So if you start off being a goal or habit, maybe an intrinsically motivated aspect of yourself and then you add in this pistol motivation and that could, like, undermine and eventually erode your intrinsic motivating capabilities, which is which I found interesting. And I'm gonna read part of this. Do you is the abstract of the paper thin? This is, Ah, people back in 2013 and the title of is more modeling effects of intrinsic and extrinsic rewards on the comp competition between stri it'll learning systems I I know what all those words are, except that third to last one moving ah, come. And so it says. A common assumption in psychology, economics and other fields holds that higher performance results in extra if extrinsic rewards such as money are offered as incentive. While this principle seems to work well for tasks that require the execution of the same sequence of steps over and over with little uncertainty about the process in other cases, especially where creative problem solving is required, todo due to the difficulty in finding the optimal sequence of actions, ex soon rewards can actually be detrimental to task performance for the like, free each. Furthermore, they have the potential to undermine intrinsic motivation to do an otherwise interesting task.
Yeah, that makes who knew who knew the way I heard it or it was because I registered it as that extrinsic motivators in ambiguous settings where you have to creatively problems All can lead to poorer work, product like, because you're just like, Oh, let me get the money. I'll just do this thing and throw it up in the air. But the idea of the extrinsic eroding the intrinsic is like that's new to me.
Yeah, that I didn't I didn't know that that was possible and had me thinking about how that plays out in the real world, like not just when it comes. So, like all personal goals or me doing all these things that I call fun but, you know, work. Yes, because it is. There's a lot of stuff going down down right now in how people are dealing with Cove it and and it is. It makes you wonder what's what's what's what's what's motivating. Yeah,
I also realized I'm gonna look a whole revelation right now, Theo away that my job culture is because one of the things we always talk about is like having a high ability to navigate ambiguous situations and creatively problems off. And I realized that one of the things that we all have in common at work is that when when we're in ambiguous situations, we're not trying to cut necessary come up with solutions so that we can, like, get more money necessarily. But it's like it's almost a point of pride, like I want to not because you wanna be praised, but I want to figure this out. I wanted, like, provide value. I want to be able to do this thing. It makes sense that in ambiguous situations, it's more important to have an internal motivator as opposed
to an external one. Eso you think your entire team are like the entire team is like intrinsically motivated,
Aziz said. Before is the spectrum this is. But I think that sometimes when because it's like sometimes I find myself working really hard on things and like being really like, emotionally invested in things that I truly do not care about. But it's like I want to feel like like you were saying like I like to learn. Like to figure things out like I want to figure this out. I want to prove that I can figure this thing out and maybe I want to prove to myself and they want to prove to my teams. I guess that's both
with any express. If it examples of that this week, they could think of
Ah, there always a bunch of them. One of the things that's been difficult for me as we have transitioned to this work from home and then also trying Teoh. You know, everyone's home situation is different, so scheduling, like is different. So you can't say everyone must attend this meeting at 2 p.m. Because if so and so has to take care of their kid or so one's own like is just overwhelming needs time, time off. Gathering and wrangling people just takes more empathy like, Hey, does this work being like, Oh, this is optional. And then we also instituted this thing for, like, group sinks make recording them so that people don't feel the need that they, too, that they have to actually like attend. At that moment, they can like watch it later if it's not like, you know, imperative and they don't need to actively contribute to the meeting. So but like navigating those differences, So, for instance, so and so can't meet at this time because he's setting up his kid for e learning. But this person can't meet at this time because they're breast feeding. How do you then navigate that? Because those two things are valid and they both need to be in a meeting. How do you do that? And had on who compromises and what does that look like? And I've just been really proud of my team and my my my work environment. People have been incredibly empathetic and just being been like, You know what? Maybe let's just do this for 15 minutes or let's do this over email. Or actually, I got this. You go ahead and do this thing that that's been really interesting to mean, and it's been a It's been a moment where I've been like I appreciate being here, you know? Yes, which, honestly speaking, that doesn't always
which is very true. Sasha, from what I can tell is very good job and okay, let me rephrase that what I can tell everyone else thinks. Ah, she's very good. Good job.
That's it. Right there. That's a cheat code guy.
Everyone else thinks such as good of a job, even if she doesn't believe it herself. It
seems like you
have you. You, For the most part, you feel like you're growing and you like you're getting a lot out of it.
Yeah. Yeah, and I m a appreciate that I appreciate the opportunity for growth and, like, honestly, also to step back of the I appreciate being able to have a job and, like, not feeling, you know, that's like, Ah, yeah,
just gonna leave us this
way As the weeks progress and industries air more and more impacted by this like, I could not even complain about work. Well, not Teoh just because, like, you know, at the end of the day, I'm just I'm so I'm so grateful
when I when I think about you know, that person is to be, you know, if you don't come out of ah, uh, situation with a new skill, whatever this another time for that. No time for that. And I think back to my last, like 34 years of my life leading up to this moment. And then I had the band within time to invest in skill building and such. So I am like you. I am, like, so grateful to be in the Pistons, That position I am now because of the work I put at work I put in before, but I'm aware of the privilege I had to put that work in before it wasn't the same, you know,
and you're hitting on something. I think also that we didn't we didn't really talk about about that quote. We talk about discipline and what it means toe have discipline. But given your environment, that can be a privilege to to be able to focus like, you know, kids who were able to focus at home. They have stable environments that they can be focused. And it's not to say that you can't push through and still be disciplined, and still you can. But it takes more effort and like that needs to be acknowledged. And it's not always a matter of discipline, and it's something my, my therapist actually help because I always like I'm so lazy. I truly am Lease even she's like, You're not lazy. Um, you just But that might not be a priority for you. Are there? Might you might have issues around some things. I don't label it as being lazy. It's just we all live in systems. So yeah, thank you for bringing up that point about privilege.
Yeah, it's You need to be in a certain place that allows you, allows you to have it banned with, and resource is to do some of these things on by bandwidth and French like you meant, like mental space. Just time financial resource is take it to get some of these things done. One of the things that for the last 56 weeks at my job that we were very concerned about moving. What we're doing to virtual is that so I work with a college students in training, trying to get them to be excited about the I artificial intelligence. Woop hasn't working with these universities, and we have some amazing partners, university partners, moments of virtual. We had a lot of conversations around what the's students lives are like off campus and, you know, there's sometimes I mean, even for me, like I had assumption. Like you know, everyone just go home. Go is go home for K through 12. I was a bit more, a lot more empathetic to keep through 12 students, but when it came to college and okay, by time you get to college, you should be good. You should be all set. But the universe part partners have seen no some of the students. When they back home, they're now the breadwinner there. Now they don't have a space just like K through 12 students. So moving our curriculum to virtual when a lot of conversations around, how do we ensure that everyone can succeed in this AI intro? I course, regardless of where, where they are at home. And it's like the whole idea of being mindful that everyone is a different place. Everyone doesn't have the same privileges, even though like they may have, even though they may have access to a laptop. That doesn't mean that they silken do it. They may have access to the the actual physical resource is, but they may not have the mental space to actually accomplish what you want them to accomplish, because there's so much we don't live we don't live in isolation. Nope. Aspect of our lives is is isolated from other aspects of our lives again. So that that tweet bothered things bothered me so much because it's it's ignorant, and it's lacks empathy. I don't know who this person is, but you could come for me. My name is Sean,
and if you come for him, you coming for me?
There you go, Harlem.
Exactly Like you better come. Correct. Come. Correct. Come cover. I
mean, right now, because way recording way.
Shout out to the line. So
tonight we're drinking a Bordeaux superior. Yuh eyes that Is that what I say? I
know it's a board. Oh,
there we go. Shout out to the wine delivery people.
Yo, for real, though, like are essential workers truly. I mean, I'm particularly grateful to the wine people, but like Yeller holding us down, and I just I mean again, going back to like, all the things that people are dealing with, like if you are, if you're living with the essential worker and like just being anxious for them and for your household, I just It's a lot and it's layered, as you said,
one of the one of the brands that I'm working with, my blawg, and I mean, I talk about them all the time and I'm not going to say their name here, but I do really appreciate them. And so we had a conversation some weeks ago about helping people how to be, How do we give back? And so I'm collaborating with them to kind of get food on people's tables. But this week I noticed that they also have a separate campaign about acknowledging the work of the workers who get food to our groceries. And I was like, That's why that's why mess with that? So that's why you know what day? That's why we cool. I see you. Hey, it's It's I think it's so important right now for for people, for brands who are on a pace of influence. Teoh toe help. Yes, it goes sliding motivation like they were doing this. They're not doing this for I'm sure they're going to get like social capital or whatever, but they're not doing this for that. They do it because, like they are invested in just like sustainable practices and humanity and food, they want toe contribute in a positive way. They get nothing really out of it. You get nothing out of it. I just wish everybody would be like bad,
you know? I mean, we probably would not be where we are if everyone thought like that.
Yo, that is that Israel, that Israel,
that Israel. I'm so grateful to all of the essential workers who were just keeping things running as much as they can in this and obviously, you know, are health care workers and then the people in government. And we're gonna say broadly and just be very generous here. But like the people who are quickly adapting to every like, new data point and shifting and building and creating the policies an infrastructure for us to have the things that we have Teoh combat this thing like, I just cannot imagine what their lives are like, either. So, like, yes, all the essential workers that means, like the people in the government who are doing the work to help the people in the in the hospitals to be set up for success on the people who is just keeping us all afloat, you know?
Do you know anyone who's like in who personally, who is an essential worker or working in policy or in the hospitals.
I know people who are definitely essential workers. But I do keep in touch with people who are in the hospitals and the joy and the the happiness that they're able to find in this time. I don't know if you've seen these videos. Some hospitals, like every time they release the covert patient, they like, have a celebration. Or like every time that, like there's code called or something, they have a celebration. So they're finding moments. If I enjoy, I just just imagine how important that is when day in and day after you're seeing nothing but like disease and death,
I can't I can't imagine I'm a trained or design Teoh todo that. I think that's an example of, like, definitely intrinsic motivation. You you are watching these numbers arise. You're seeing people die. You are, you are. It's hired. But you know that there is value regardless of all those things in doing a job. Well, yes, and showing up and providing here and just just being an amazing human being
truly like angels. Do you know essential workers?
I do. I do I do? Why did Why did it take some?
Because you think you have to, like, tally them up.
Sometimes when I think about my my my friend group, maybe it's a New York thing. Just know so many lawyers. Yeah. So many so many lawyers. But I do know I do know essential work. I do know people who work in in the in the medical field. A couple of them have gotten Corbett on and but they doing great. They've gotten better. It was scary when I found out that they they had it And, uh but so relieved that there they're getting better. I am a bit concerned about the bodega
closed. The other Partagas open in the area. For those of you are now in New York, a bodega at a bodega is a corner store. This'll full shop that that provides all the essentials, including beer. Men all go your products? Yes. Come through like a chop. She's our our our closest boo data is closed. And, um, I am concerned that something may have happened to somebody who works
there. They are by far the best bodega in the area. They are definitely every being me and like it's like the community spot. It's like everybody goes chilling like, which is
a problem. You said you that was one of your concerns.
I am, I am. I do love the bodega. Once blends Cove, it hit. I was like, I'm not going
t That's why they closed Sasha you handedly! Closing.
Stop supporting the bodega. But there was no social distance. I was I was nervous but nervous about it. But I also think, and then going back to that point of privilege, social, distant thing is people been seeing is a privilege. It
is such a privilege
that is a privilege. And, like I have been very adamant about social distance, saying When the few times I make it outside, I'm like you must I've yelled at people for being too close
to me. Sasha becomes a gladiator. It comes social desisting
like about being aggressive. All right, Like that is, you get aggressive. But having learned that I was like I realized like it is, it is a privilege going back to the the thing about the essential workers. Actually, now that I think about it a little bit more. I do know essential workers, and a lot of them are getting sick. And like, there they 80% some of them. Most of them are the 80% better. You know, just getting the symptoms and recovering the ability to stay home like I haven't been outside since. I can't even tell you. But the ability to stay inside for a week is a privilege. You know, I have a credit card. Having a credit card is a privilege. You have a credit card now? Yeah. Slowly. But surely, guys, I'm a whole mess. I like I, um there's no one explain it. Somehow I lost all of my cards and then
individually, not like all at once, you know, like a sequence of your beds
just losing my cards. I'm the kind of person who loses things also at work on the person who organizes everybody and get ready together. Which is crazy because most unorganized person in the world talk about imposter. Yeah. I lost all of my cards, different points and at points, got some of them back and then lost them again. So there were. There were times when I was card lis, which was difficult to get a lot of cash going to dinner and pink with cash. People look at you like a crazy um Ah, lot of being like, Oh, can you put in your car November You so Yes. Now, I finally have restored my card situation, so yes, but like no, seriously, if I was still card list right now, it would be difficult because I haven't been to the bank in six weeks,
Right? Because that's how you got you cash.
Yeah, I got my cash, and I was like, I'm not coming back. Thank you.
So every beginning at the beginning of this, I think within all first couple of days at home, one of Sasha's friends, God bless them and this would have been the first of several nick breaking news situations said that what was with the was it metre. Nor that's going to shut down with something in
subways and the Metro North weren't going to be shut down. We wouldn't be able to leave or get things.
And Sasha cause me, like shot, I gotta get cash. Good. I'm going to go toe, want street and going to get you would do whatever you got? I need to get cat like Okay, Okay. But she was so scared.
I was so, so scared. I like I remember I scared the crap out of the teller because I was on the phone talking to someone, and I was like, It's about to be an apocalypse teller. I know. I was talking to someone and I took out, like, a substantial amount of cash, and she was just like, uh, do you know something? I don't know what I was like. Listen, someone in the in the mayor's office, her and it's funny, because now nobody actually wants to take cash. Very little use for it. Oh,
yeah. I was thinking about that. Like that's that Some were spreading.
Yeah, like nobody. I guess I do. Tip the the wine delivery guy with cash.
Well, I did not tip O today. I just like to the line. Well, today, yesterday I don't know what today is. Thursday, right? Yes.
They'll be back soon. Double. That's hip. He didn't
seem like he went to linger, though.
Of course not. I
don't dropped it like literally dropped it. Like open later, he dropped it on the floor inside the apartment is like walked away.
Yeah. So actually, that's a question I would like to pose to the audience. Like because I have been seeing I've been seen that it's really important to tip people, obviously, because again, we're talking about hazard pay last time. If you can't like, there's no way with the winery to
shout out to the winery, Just goto
Teoh. I wouldn't be able to make it without I like to think uses for the way. But like house, you like when I'd be like, Hey, you cash up like, how do you I really want to. Maybe I'll just call the winery mask. Yeah,
maybe. Yeah, just ask them. Yeah, because that can you put it in the order, like when you
There's no way to do it in the order. But maybe I'll just call and be like, Hey, it
would be weird if you provide the tip envelope along with a baggie of
live wives. So I'm pulsing in my wife's Okay,
there They're bringing yours for your sustenance.
Could spare a few ways
You could spit one white que no get Don't get too generous Now we don't know how long will be inside and have yet to see a store like stock back up on life. So lives,
if you can't
even talk about Daddy would talk about what you had to see anyone, like, re up on their life. Soul situation.
Yes, we can talk about that because basically, you know, we got real scrappy when it came to getting supplies. We all right? I e got really scrappy when I can take getting supplies as a week. It's automatic is like it was
good. I would say is one day Sasha left the apartment to get something from a place that is not a store. Yeah, and came back with bags.
Yeah, gotta do. You gotta do you gotta do to
lie. So wipes and hand sanitizer.
And I picked up the medication. So had a medication.
She did not go to a store.
Did I go to a store?
No. Money was spent.
Not a dime was spent. But listen, we sit and pretty We still in pretty
way are sanitized.
We got pure O for Daisy. That lifestyle wives four days. I
don't applause to you. I I appreciate it because like this, I I was. I think I was a bit naive in the beginning about, like, household. So that naive, but a lot I was very up to mistake about
you. Couldn't have known that humanity Yeah, you could not have possibly known way were, like, 656 weeks. And
and, like, some of these things are not there. Nowhere, nowhere to be found. I think the supermarket is now putting like a no pasta where they lie, so
Oh, my God. But no, you can't even I mean, why I haven't been in two weeks. When I went two weeks ago, there wasn't much pasta. Pasta is back. The
boss's back tomatoes back. My mom, my favorite chicken stuff. People, they're back down. Do chicken people come through chicken people? This stuff is so good, but
okay, we're gonna have another episode about the chicken people
way Should I would love to talk to them about chicken, you know? And like where it comes from, like and to solve that hold Riddle a vote Which came first. The chicken or the egg.
Oh, my God. I would be amazing.
Really amazing kind of professionals of Yeah,
game. Also, I'd be interested to know, like how Koven is affecting like their supply chain and like it
seems like they've been managing it well, as best as they can. Definitely, they've been affected. You know, human beings run these these farms, and they're all about sustainability. So these are not like huge factories that are disconnected from the actual product. Is the actual farmers with families and this small like small farms that raise chickens so they have been affected by the same time? Somehow some of these, like as people are hoarding groceries and produce They also the hoarding chicken. So they it's also an opportunity for them to get into some of these other supermarket chains to provide, at least temporarily. It's a growth opportunity, possibly for them. They're trying to manage it as best they can. Andi, without compromising their core values, which is, I think, in a day is very important and that part is good, Is good, is good.
It's zilliqa, it's delicious and it's well package.
It's well, package is beautiful. It's so many good things. Whatever. What
gonna have him on
way? Gotta have them line. Ah, let me I'll have I'll have ah, my person cold. Beyonce's person who's in charge of the Hashtags and then they will we get the money. One of the things that we touched on last week was like tips for working from whom we talked about boundaries of saying something else. So one of the two of the other ones that I came across this week, and I mean everything about these is, um are scheduling breaks on, uh, taking breaks in their entirety. I
know. I agree. I agree. I'm Yeah, I agree. I think breaks are important. I also read another article about how we look for our eyes. We need to be taking breaks because it's more screen time. I don't even think about that. I'm like there are meetings that I have that I don't not looking at a screen. And I've been noticing some weird I stuff happening with me. We don't have to go into it. The oh, yes. Okay. Not so you just came for me.
People, people I talk about my friends, my friends, people me, Sasha in all her awesomeness refuses. Admit how black g
I I just think you have really good eyesight. You have like a superhuman eyesight I'm just regular, You
know, you are not regular.
I will. I will never forget. We were waiting for a uber. And you also because you're but a sense of direction. You figured out where they were before I could even figure out where they were. But I remember you, like, pointed to it. And you're like, Oh, is your license plate did it up. And I'm like, what you do. You read that from the owner for the, like, the car and you Look, I read it from the car. You can't see that. I'm like, No, I see car. I don't see. I mean, I see the card. I see, like where the license plate is. And I assume that their letters and numbers you're like X y Z night?
Yeah. You need to get my eyes tested happening any time soon. Like 2025 before you actually get into of my doctors. Almost
new eyes. One of the things that they were saying that you need. You need breaks, like for your eyes, because, like, it's not good for you. Um, so, yeah, I think breaks are important. I think sometimes, though, depending on what your work environment is and mine is hectic and unpredictable. It's hard to do that. Um and it's in Qin. Feel hard to advocate for breaks in this an environment.
Why is that?
I want to be very quick. My personal job has been so supportive. They've been like take time when you need it. But again, like this idea of like wanting to keep up with the heard things are moving so quickly and you're at home. Why would you need to take time off? I've been really feeling the needs, like pull back because I'm the kind of person who I don't want to figure out how toe patch the widgets way euphemism. But I'm feeling a lot of things that I need time to sit and just process it do. And like I just in a day I can't find it. So yeah, I 100% have you been able to do well, let's talk about your breaks,
My Briggs. Yes, I take my eye. I I don't take regular breaks because you're always working. You was waiting for me to say that he was waiting for me to say I don't take wherever I I don't I don't take regular breaks. I think I think what happens with me is that I just want to get it done. But I do have I was kind of, like, hard stop. So even, you know, I don't I'm not saying that that's the same or better or whatever, but and no, but I have never had this heart stop where I'm going to stop working and God help you. If there's a fire and you need me to put it out, you need to put on it. I'm going. I'm sorry. You're gonna have to get somebody else to piss on. It is I clocked out.
Let that let it burn.
I close My laptop is charging the corner of opening tomorrow. But today, though, facility day simpler together Today though I found myself is needing to I stepped with my laughter, my sat on the couch and I went on a screen on my phone. But I just need to, like, just not be looking at my laptop for a bit on. I played my little like, this little block scheme that I played. Yes, it's mindless, but I feel like I'm being smart. When I played e g. I'm sure you're actually being smart. No, I figured out that it's it's It's not a smart game. It's It's all about chance. But it makes you feel like you're doing something. Oh, a figure like where to put how to optimize whatever. Like it's nonsense. But I enjoy playing it. I've also started wearing my blue blocking glasses again.
I saw that there. Okay, guys, she looks so good in his boo boo hoo. They're really cute.
So that that's why I wear them Because I realized I know cute. You know, I wear that because I realism. It's a lot more time with my screen. Yeah, and that's why I got them a year plus ago toe help with that. So I'm wearing them now. I try to put them on. When I switched to my personal laptop after work that is feels like a It's like a definite thing that happens. So I know like a close my work laptop, and then I come to my person lapped up. I should be wearing my glasses now. So, um, like that, Yeah, just just I like I like structure on habits like that does, like Dio so you don't You don't schedule breaks. Are you going to try to schedule breaks? Are you going to try to take
my job? Does not lend itself to that Like I would have to be like, I'd have to, like, make it make a grand announcement to take a break within the day. But there are natural like like downtimes. So they're the brakes. Brakes arise. Um, but it's harder for me to, like, schedule them, but I've really been thinking about, like, trying to take some time. I don't know what that's gonna look like, but there's something about, like, thes weeks thes work. We could just just so intense. They feel so intense. I feel like I'm being forced to pretend at times, not always that everything's normal and I'm just chugging along right and there times that that's fine, because I can. It feels normal in the moment, but then there times that it feels absolutely it's safe and I can't. But I'm expected to just, you know, bulldoze through. And I'm like, I need a second y'all, like, you know, like dealing with family like family and trying to be there for them and be there for friends. And, like, I need to sit and think about what? That way
we can revisit that next week. You don't have to figure it out in a week.
No, but I might have anything new.
Yeah, you would have thought about it. And you know, when you're thinking things that you do, you see enjoy doing.
You know, everyone thinks that I sleep a lot. Sleeping is also thinking time. It's
true. No, I'm not. I'm not gonna
be. Oh, yes,
yes. I stand by that. It's It's important,
it? I took. I took not noise. Important. Yeah,
I bagged for it. So, So much, but like it truly is. And the dragon You know who's driving track? No, exactly. Exactly dragging. I mean, no, it's like a reset, you know, like, you just thank you. Yes, You wake up and you're like, OK,
I mean, I don't take us many naps and now move.
So okay, just to talk about that So the week I can sleep a whole weekend like, why is it not the entire thing? But I can sleep like, 14 hours a day, and Sean is like working and sleeping in our
I like I like to be up. I like to be auto bed. Like I said, Why the big gets a bit uncomfortable for me. It gets harder for some reason, and laying down is no longer fun.
And he's roll over.
Yeah, but it is like going through all the permutations of rolling. And I'm like, I need to get up. Thing is, actually not She doesn't agree you're not doing it right. You know, he's like, No, no, I just want to show you we'll
do it tutorial
on how to stay in bed for 14 hours by Sasha. But during during grad school and particularly it might might my doctoral studies. There were times when I was like working on something and I will get stuck and I'm no after hours of working with him and I would go take a nap and I mean, it s a fall asleep, but my mind would I think it like it locks off some of the other, get rid of some of the the other distractions and just lets my mind like simmer and like, make connections and I get up, you know, about our later told earlier and I Okay, I figure this out on, I could keep working. You know that it and the nap is in the surfer like any giri boost. Malek A mental reboost.
Yeah. No. Reboost, reboot. Reboot. Yeah, Reboost a word? I think so. Okay. You can boost some things you can
re boost. Boost it again. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, the night before a mental recharge. Yeah, I suppose. Like a an injury recharge. Yeah. So I'm here for I mean, you didn't realize that you were speaking wisdom.
I know into the podcast, but that's what you were saying before four. Because people trying to shame me, That's why shame is so dangerous. But that's another pain.
You're really trying to sell this whole idea like let me sleep. Podcast number two and number one sash has been like, I'm just sleep. I sleep. And so what I do just let me be. Do you know who you are? Are there who's? And I have gotten those text messages and calls like Sasha asleep. Okay. She spying. She I This is let her be
like it's 3 p.m. I haven't seen. I assume she's I
I hear her breathing through
TV's on. She's breathing. Leave the woman alone. She works. Hm. But after New Week. So next week, we're gonna check back in in terms of how you could modify this whole, like, scheduling breaks. Thing to work for you? Yes. And this is not homework. I felt like I said that. Like, is that homework?
Because, you know, you're an educator.
Yeah, but I too am would I need to, like, think about that as well. Yeah, when I said the office, I would walk away from my desk, You know, I will go outside. I would like, you know, walk around the office space for a few minutes. I like get my apple and go by the window and said, Eat it like that was my break, but that there's no there. Isn't that here?
That is a good point. Oh, you That was helpful for me. I've been feeling guilty about like the time that I take, like, make lunch. But you're right. Like the when we were in the office, they were up. You would see people in the hall and, like, have a conversation. So, like,
that was a break
that was a break. So I don't feel I don't need to feel like,
you know, Don't don't Don't feel that way. You don't beat yourself up.
Don't beat yourself up to do Veta. I will do better. I mean, no, I will. I really Well, because I think I think that's one of the things I'm learning from This whole awful hard experience and I think in general, were all too hard on ourselves. Were too hard on ourselves or too hard on our friends and our family. And we need more empathy and, like just space for people to like be in process. We even. What? It's not a global pandemic. We're all going to a lot at time, so just look is being more gentle with ourselves in each other.
If you come out of this with without a new skill with without learning anything without a new business, that's perfectly fine. Yes, that's perfectly fine. Like this is, this is These are on president in times and e to do what's best for you and your family, especially if you have kids or like people who depend on you. Don't don't don't just stuff out anyway, this is a lot of fun. It way. I was hoping, thinking we could like we've in motivation by ah, what's her name?
Oh, Kelly, No. Oh, no money. Yeah, you
are cheese. Anyway, the next week, maybe next week. You moving on, Maybe need to go even in. I thank you for joining us.
Thank you. Everybody
try as a second episode of work and home. I am Sean.
And I am sad to
see you next week.